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Pathological Demand Avoidance (PDA) and Oppositional Defiance Disorder (ODD): Flipping the Script on Labels and Finding Solutions When Nothing Seems to Work


Speaker:
Amy Marschall, PsyD
Duration:
Full Day
Language:
Presented in EN, subtitles in EN and FR
Product Code:
LWC150348
Brochure Code:
PWZ94473
Media Type:
Live Webinar - Also available: Digital Seminar

Dates

Normal Price:      $324.99 - Now:  $64.99 - Exclusive offer when combined with this live training.

Description

You’ve tried it all –

  • Behavior charts
  • Token economies
  • Time-outs and time-ins
  • Positive reinforcement
  • Sensory supports
  • Ignoring the behavior
  • Even restructuring the entire environment –

And yet, the same struggles persist – aggression, shutdowns, mood swings, and more.

It can leave even the most dedicated therapists wondering – What am I missing?

For decades, diagnoses like Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD) and, more recently, Pathological Demand Avoidance (PDA) were viewed as signs of willful defiance, manipulation, or poor parenting but emerging research tells a different story.

Dr. Amy Marschall, clinical psychologist and neurodiversity expert, offers a paradigm shift, reframing these labels and the resulting behaviors as survival strategies rooted in trauma, neurodivergence, and developmental delay – less about “bad behavior” and more about a neurological mismatch.

  • Learn the root causes of ODD, PDA, IED, and more – so you can address the underlying issues, not just the symptoms
  • Use trauma-informed, neurodiversity-affirming assessments to decode behavior and uncover unmet needs
  • Apply tools that build trust, co-regulation, and emotional resilience in autistic children, kids with ADHD, PTSD, and more
  • Replace meltdowns, shutdowns, and aggression with interventions that promote felt safety and emotional regulation
  • Empower parents and educators to support regulation and healing in any setting

You’ll also learn to challenge outdated myths and labels, and support clients through insight, not control.

Register today and become the therapist who truly sees – and supports – the children who need it most.

Credit

Program Information

Planning Committee Disclosure - No relevant relationships

All members of the PESI, Inc. planning committee have provided disclosures of financial relationships with ineligible organizations and any relevant non-financial relationships prior to planning content for this activity. None of the committee members had relevant financial relationships with ineligible companies or other potentially biasing relationships to disclose to learners.  For speaker disclosures, please see the faculty biography.



Canada Credit - *

NOTE: Each purchase includes CE credit for one individual (participants in full attendance will be able to print the certificate of completion after passing the online post-test (80% passing score) and completing the evaluation). Instructional methods will include PowerPoint, didactic lecture, Q&A, and others.

Continuing Education Information: Credits listed below are for full attendance at the live, interactive webinar only. This webinar is being broadcast live in real-time and must be attended live, in its entirety, in order to earn credit. You will be able to type questions to the speaker. The speaker will see the questions and address them during the presentation as time allows. Please note, your licensing board dictates whether web-based activities are an acceptable form of continuing education, as well as which credit types are acceptable for continuing education hours. Please refer to your licensing board's rules and regulations. If your profession is not listed, please contact your licensing board to determine your continuing education requirements and check for reciprocal approval. For other credit inquiries not specified below, please contact info@pesi.com or 800-844-8260 before the event.

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Course Level: Intermediate Format: Synchronous Distance.  Full attendance is required; no partial credits will be offered for partial attendance.

 

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Speaker

Amy Marschall, PsyD's Profile

Amy Marschall, PsyD Related seminars and products

Sioux Falls Psychological Services


Amy Marschall, PsyD, is a licensed clinical psychologist in South Dakota, working primarily with children and adolescents. She is trained in trauma-informed care as well as cognitive behavioral therapy, and in 2017 became certified in trauma-focused cognitive behavioral therapy. In her clinical practice, Dr. Marschall works with survivors of abuse, families in the foster care system, children with incarcerated parents, clients dealing with high-conflict divorce or separation, and those growing up with other chronic stressors and traumas.

Dr. Marschall was diagnosed in adulthood as AuDHD (Autistic and ADHD), which informs her deeply empathetic and lived understanding of neurodivergence.

She is also the author of three professional resources: A Clinician’s Guide to Supporting Autistic Clients, Telemental Health with Kids Toolbox, and Telemental Health with Kids Toolbox, Volume 2. These publications reflect her commitment to providing accessible, neurodiversity-affirming, and trauma-informed tools for clinicians working with children and adolescents in both in-person and virtual settings.

 

Speaker Disclosures:
Financial: Amy Marschall is the founder of Resiliency Mental Health and has employment relationships with RMH Therapy, ADHD Online, Prosper Health, AuDHD Therapists, A Change for Better, A Change for Better Fund, Grayce, and DotDash Meridith. She receives royalties as a published author. Amy Marschall receives a speaking honorarium, recording, and book royalties from PESI, Inc. She has no relevant financial relationships with ineligible organizations.
Non-financial: Amy Marschall is a blogger with Resiliency Mental Health, Psychology Today, DotDash Meridith, and Everyday Health.


Additional Info

Program Information

Access Period for Live Webcast

For live CE credit, you must watch the live webcast in its entirety at its scheduled time and complete the CE quiz and evaluation within one week. You will have access for 90 days after the program for review.


Webcast Schedule

Please note: There will be a 70-minute lunch and two 15-minute breaks; one in the morning and one in the afternoon. Lunch and break times will be announced by the speaker and at their discretion. A more detailed schedule is available upon request.


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Objectives

  1. Examine how trauma, neurodivergence, and developmental differences contribute to behaviors labeled as PDA and ODD. 
  2. Differentiate between PDA, ODD, and other diagnoses such as Autism Spectrum Disorder and Intermittent Explosive Disorder using a trauma-informed lens. 
  3. Choose neurodiversity-affirming, strengths-based strategies to support emotional regulation and felt safety in children with challenging behaviors. 
  4. Evaluate the limitations of traditional behavior management models and the benefits of connection-focused, collaborative interventions. 
  5. Utilize practical tools to build trust, support co-regulation, and foster resilience in children experiencing meltdowns, shutdowns, or aggression. 
  6. Modify compliance-driven responses to approaches rooted in insight, empathy, and relationship-building by coaching parents and educators.

Outline

The Neurodiversity Paradigm: A Brief Overview

A way forward through affirming, trauma-informed care

  • Neurodivergence, neurodiversity, and the shift toward neurodiversity affirming practice
  • The medical model in mental health care: Help or harm?
  • PDA and ODD as controversial constructs: Diagnoses or mislabels?
  • Diagnostic critiques: Cultural bias, pathologizing autonomy, and misinterpreting trauma

Assessment & Diagnoses

A Trauma-Informed, Neurodiversity-Affirming Approach

  • Medical vs. educational diagnosis
  • Why labels like ODD and PDA remain debated in clinical practice
  • When ODD reflects trauma, unmet needs, or neurodivergence
  • PDA and the DSM™: Clinical relevance without formal recognition
  • Differentiate PDA and ODD from
    • Autism Spectrum Disorder
    • Conduct Disorder
    • Intermittent Explosive Disorder
    • Disruptive Mood Dysregulation Disorder
  • Determine the root cause of behavior:
    • Tantrums vs. meltdowns
    • Elopement, shutdowns, and aggression
    • Self-harm behavior
    • Environmental and relational context

“Behavior Problems” Through a Compassionate Lens

What lies beneath: the discomfort of changing established practices

  • Trauma’s impact on brain development and behavior
  • The neurology of neurodiversity
  • Core principles for clinicians and caregivers:
    • Behavior as communication
    • Curiosity over anger, support over punishment
    • Shift from compliance-based to collaborative care
    • Reframe “defiance” as autonomy, fear, or sensory distress
  • Case conceptualization examples

A Fresh Approach to Change the Narrative

Build insight, communication, and attachment

  • Communication & Regulation Tools:
    • Educate kids and parents about the brain and neurodivergence
    • Expressing feelings: code words, escape plans, visuals, apps
    • Emotion regulation: butterfly hugs, stomp & roar, mindfulness
    • Movement and sensory strategies: safe spaces, sensory play, body-based tools
    • Routines and sleep: overcome barriers, hygiene plans, predictability across settings
  • Strengthen Relationships
    • Regulation, choice, and responsibility; developmentally matched tools
    • Parent-child: child-led play, check-ins, and intentional connection
    • Educator-student: practical tools for authentic engagement
    • Building inclusive, responsive classroom environments
  • Creative & Play-Based Interventions
    • Games, non-directive play, and creative outlets for big emotions
    • Research limitations and potential risks of misapplied strategies
  • Risks and limitations of common interventions

Break Through Behavioral Roadblocks

In-the-moment responses to significant behaviors

  • Suicide/self-harm statements
  • Elopement
  • Verbal and physical aggression
  • Controlling behaviors
  • When systems push back:
    • Navigate families and educators demanding strict discipline plans
    • Reframe resistance from adults who struggle to change

Target Audience

  • Counselors
  • Social Workers
  • Psychologists
  • Marriage and Family Therapists
  • Speech-Language Pathologists
  • Teachers
  • School Administrators
  • Occupational Therapists
  • Occupational Therapy Assistants
  • Nurses
  • Other Helping Professionals Who Work with Children

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